Tires

[Jimmy N.]

I dont think I've ever seen the decomposition of a modern day tire on a performance car

That's likely because people are smart enough to replace them before they start coming apart. Plus that most wear them out before they're six years old.

 

[1971demon]

That's likely because people are smart enough to replace them before they start coming apart. Plus that most wear them out before they're six years old.

Seen plenty of blow outs due to underinflated tires...even a few due to bald tires...now true most will wear out a set in 6 years...but there are 100's of garage queens of all makes runnin around on like new 7/8/9 or more tires without issue...Don't believe it;s that big a deal

 

[DGatzby]

I have a question about tire integrity..and age...I put new skins and wheels on my 16 HC 3 months from new...have put "maybe" 1700 miles on them...(but they are now 9 years old)....always stored @ 65 degrees..and 50% humidity..unless in use...I've never heard of a tire failure due to age....what am I missing...if anything...

You’re good IMO. I would never and you would probably never use that set for any extra special item like a track or strip event. High speed running type of stuff. My five year old PS4 rears that had plenty of thread etc. stored properly & had its “sticky” properties drop significantly. After I bought my new rear set I went out and made a PB 1/4 time between the cornfields. The old set was not even close for traction. Those are the 245 rollers on the back in my street shots.

 

[DGatzby]

The tires I need to replace are for the Durango SRT. Except for the winter driving more important component, I want smooth, quiet, light and durable. Besides MN they likely may need to protect me “on the road” in winter storms also. They will “perform” fine when the road is dry, cold or wet I am sure.. I like their tread wear warranty because these pieces of shit are looking like they got 25k, and for damn near highway miles that is BS.

 

[Jimmy N.]

Seen plenty of blow outs due to underinflated tires...even a few due to bald tires...now true most will wear out a set in 6 years...but there are 100's of garage queens of all makes runnin around on like new 7/8/9 or more tires without issue...Don't believe it;s that big a deal

True, if not exceeding, say 50 mph, just going slowly at city traffic speeds to a car show and such, the tires aren't likely to blow apart. Heck, I have 20+ year old radials on one vehicle, but it never leaves the property, or go faster than maybe 10 mph.

On the other hand, I have photos of an old radial where the tread separated from the carcass while parked - blew up basically. And another old radial that blew out he sidewall while parked.

I see no reason to drive my Challenger on its tires from '18. Sure, I could putz down the road at 50 or less, but why? That'd be about as fun as driving an EV.

 

[Jimmy N.]

The tires I need to replace are for the Durango SRT. Except for the winter driving more important component, I want smooth, quiet, light and durable.

I had DWS06s on the Trackhawk and really liked them, also on a Golf R, and currently on the AWD Challengers. If Conti made them in the correct size, they'd be on the '19 Durango, too.

 

[recurveman]

Atturos if you want cheap and not to be mad when they last as long as factory tires

I've had Atturos on my Hellcat for @ 6,000 miles and could not be happier. Up to 173 mph they are as stable and quiet as any tires I've had costing more than three times as much. Everyone has their personal preference when it comes to tires but for tread wear, traction, stability, and high speed these Atturos will run with any other tires I've had. 107Y XL rated.

 

[RetiredFirefighter]

I had DWS06s on the Trackhawk and really liked them, also on a Golf R, and currently on the AWD Challengers. If Conti made them in the correct size, they'd be on the '19 Durango, too.

DWS06's were my choice as well on my DD392, along with many other vehicles I've had.

 

[mantisSRT]

Compared to days of old, tires, especially "performance" tires, are made of rubber compounds that get REALLY hard with time, starting at about 5 years, but by 10 years old, they are hard as polyurethane skate board wheels.

I've got a pair of PS4Ss that literally have gained 20 points on the durometer scale.

They still "function" for basic city driving, but they have lost most of their grip.

Very sad because they have most of their tread depth, but are useless for the track and absolutely have to be replaced before my next track day.

This is why some tire shops wont touch tires older than 10years, they claim they can be dangerous to handle due to the rubber compound being "hard".

I have heard that to from a few tire shops and Technicans. Not a good idea to have 8-10 year old or older tires as the rubber hardens and becomes less useful. I also agree that sucks as if you have a weekend warrior , a garage queen you only drive a few thousand or so miles a year or years, your gonna have to replace the tires due to age not miles.

 

[mantisSRT]

DWS06's were my choice as well on my DD392, along with many other vehicles I've had.

I know the tires very well. They where great on the Audi S4 and absolutely improved the Scat pack handling cornering , traction in all conditions but lets be honest, the Scat Pack and then Hellcat Car Models have no traction with any street designed tires. I actually find it funny once you learn how those cars hit torque so early and the HP they make at low RPM sucks and is fun all at the same time. Horrible for traction on the street especially the Hellcat models. But for the DDSRT , traction isn't a concern on average. I can launch the Durango full throttle and rely get a bark out of the tires. It's hook and book and that is something I missed with the S4 , it was the same way. No Drag Radials needed for the Dragstrip. The Durango is the same way.

The DWS-06 Plus tires to me only have 1 flaw, the sidewalls SUCK at taking tire dressing. Continental uses some kind of rubber coating that's like some kind of wax like stuff that makes trying to get an even visual appearance out of them with any tire dressing spotty. I had to spend a lot of time on the Plus modes which where not AS BAD as the OG DWS's but I spent probably an hour with a tar remover trying to get the sidewalls even. Other than that these tires are superior to just about everything made and can hang or best the best rated tires in their Ultra High Performance class.

Even with all that said I wouldn't mind staying from the course and getting something else. The Pilot Sports are almost an equal to the DWS's in everyday and when I look at them on cars at car shows, it seems like they are more able to except tire dressing.

I'm a retired detailer but still active as a hobby. I do ceramic coatings and paint corrections and I keep up with modern chemicals. I use very high end chemicals .

 

[RetiredFirefighter]

... But for the DDSRT , traction isn't a concern on average. I can launch the Durango full throttle and rely get a bark out of the tires ... The DWS-06 Plus tires to me only have 1 flaw, the sidewalls SUCK at taking tire dressing ... Other than that these tires are superior to just about everything made ...

Even with all that said I wouldn't mind staying from the course and getting something else ...

Tire detailing isn't that big a thing for me. If I go to a car show, I just wash and dry the vehicle and that's it. Lol

I looked at Tire Rack's customer ratings for DD392 UHP tires. The 06's are in a dead heat with PS4's, but cost $88 less each. That's dang impressive.
And if it weren't for the Falken 460's lower snow ratings, I would choose that as it's even $69 less ea than the 06's.

So going by a set of 4, this is how the choices breaks down for me by price:

Conti DWS 06+ ... $1,656
Michelin PS4 ....... $2,008
Falken FK460 ...... $1,380

Actually, the FK460's are looking better and better.

 

[Jimmy N.]

I have heard that to from a few tire shops and Technicans. Not a good idea to have 8-10 year old or older tires as the rubber hardens and becomes less useful. I also agree that sucks as if you have a weekend warrior , a garage queen you only drive a few thousand or so miles a year or years, your gonna have to replace the tires due to age not miles.

A tire durometer is fairly cheap, so you could check the tread hardness and decide that way, but it's fairly obvious when driving if the tires have become harder.

With one exception, I can't even remember the last set of tires I replaced because of wear. They get replaced due to age, even though they usually look like they're only six months old. The exception was the '19 Durango which needed tires when I bought it about a year ago.

Most likely I'll swap those tires and wheels onto the '26 at the dealer when it arrives. That way I can "recycle" good Continentals that are balanced to perfection, and on non-black wheels.

 

[Jimmy N.]

The DWS-06 Plus tires to me only have 1 flaw, the sidewalls SUCK at taking tire dressing. Continental uses some kind of rubber coating that's like some kind of wax like stuff that makes trying to get an even visual appearance out of them with any tire dressing spotty..

That Continental has a good built in defense against tire goop is a big plus in my mind.

I don't know of a single tire brand that doesn't recommend against slathering their sidewalls with something. And understandably so since the chemicals they've included in the rubber to help it stay compliant and as functional as possible are usually rendered nonfunctional by applying goop to them.

Sidewalls need to "breathe" for the tire to stay in good shape, and sidewall movement also helps with that. Basically, worst case is applying goop on tires that also sit still a lot. Not what some wanted to hear? Sorry, but it's not my fault that tires are made that way. Leave the goop off and drive=happy tires.

 

[DGatzby]

For you guys worried about dry road traction or even wet etc. the extra probably “slick” addition of tire goop added to the shoulder thread to make it look pretty? What do you think happens?